Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

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Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

#1 Post by Mugea » Tue Oct 19, 2021 8:36 am

My father discovered an Elgin he likes. I don’t. Because it looks spurious to me - but I know just nothing about Elgins. OK, I don’t have permission of the seller to use photos - but I made a sketch of the watch:
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The case is 14K white gold. Nothing inside the back except “14K”. The bezel isn’t enameled but is plain white gold with 12 numerals in black. Movement is a grade 444.

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#2 Post by statsman » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:37 pm

Is this it? Because all I did was google “Elgin Piping Rock” and this old auction result came up.

I get your reluctance about a derivative design. I think Elgin’s Clubman is a more unique design of a similar style.
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Re: Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

#3 Post by Mugea » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:03 am

Hi statsman,

no, that isn’t it. The watch you found has a straight “frame” and an enameled bezel. The watch in question has a “frame” with concave edges and a non-enameled bezel. The bezel is plain white gold with engraved numerals 1 - 12 painted black.

Anyway: the fact, that none of the Elgin experts said “Yes, this is the model xxx!” seems to speak for itself. I gave my dad a word of warning….

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Re: Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

#4 Post by afire » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:12 am

If it doesn't have any Elgin markings on the case, then I would suspect it's jeweler cased, not a factory model. Elgin released a couple hinged-lug enamel bezel models, but none quite like this. I'm not sure what, if anything, is derivative of anything else. Like the Piping rock, they came out in 1928. Waltham and others made similar models. I don't know that Hamilton was the first with this style.
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#5 Post by coronado » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:22 am

I have seen that watch before, it is not a factory-cased Elgin. Nonetheless, it is a beautiful watch and if your dad likes it, he should buy it.

For a lot of collectors, the main consideration in adding to their collection is that it is a watch they really like, rather a than fully correct, factory-cased watch that has good potential resale value.
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#6 Post by Mugea » Wed Oct 20, 2021 10:04 pm

Hi Bryan,

thank you very much for your insight. I’ll let my father know.

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Re: Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

#7 Post by afire » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:38 am

Here's what I'm guessing is the same case, but in green gold, housing a Waltham movement:
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Re: Elgin looking a litte bit like Hamilton’s Piping Rock: legit?

#8 Post by Mugea » Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:17 pm

Hi afire,

yes, that's the same case! Interesting to see, that it was used to house other brands too.

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