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 Post subject: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:13 am 
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My L&R Vari-matic tore itself to pieces today.

Looking for a modern ultrasonic cleaning machine... any recommendations?

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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I don't think there is an affordable modern ultrasonic. If you are trying to go big the ACS 900 is fully automated and the industry standard...its extremely comfortable but pricey. I like the vibrograf mark v for home use/ non-production shop. Its got everything you need and is very compact. The only downside is you have to manually move the cleaning process along. There is a modern version of this machine called the matador 4000 which retails for $3700. The vibrograf mark v is the same machine but you can get (used) for around $1,000. If you have to have automated and modern you have to spend quite a bit. I use two big old machines as pre-clean before disassembly and use the mark v as final clean because I can swap out the fluids frequently since the containers are small


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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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Agreed, the Marc V is a quality machine. I think you're a little light on the price for a used one.
I have the one below with all the parts and all 6 baskets and a new belt. I would need $1,500 plus shipping to the US only.

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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You guys are talking big Money! Dan and Rene' turned me onto iSonic® Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner P4820-WPB with Heater and Digital Timer, I use baby food jars to not waste the chemistry. Maybe I'm missing something? Why all the power? :geek:

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GreenBayStamps wrote:
You guys are talking big Money! Dan and Rene' turned me onto iSonic® Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner P4820-WPB with Heater and Digital Timer, I use baby food jars to not waste the chemistry. Maybe I'm missing something? Why all the power? :geek:

About $120 on eBay


I'll let the professionals chime in on this one.


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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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GreenBayStamps wrote:
You guys are talking big Money! Dan and Rene' turned me onto iSonic® Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner

Pat, are you using this for movements or just case and bracelet cleaning?

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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Everything. Look at Dan's blog, this is how he cleans things in baby food jars. I use full strength Hagerty Jewel cleaner. If I'm doing the bracelets I use the whole thing, just parts the baby food jars.

Dan help, pipe in here?

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GreenBayStamps wrote:
You guys are talking big Money! Dan and Rene' turned me onto iSonic® Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner

Pat, are you using this for movements or just case and bracelet cleaning?

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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GreenBayStamps wrote:
Dan help, pipe in here?

No need for help. :lol: I have the same machine, just didn't know you were working on your own movements now: Cool!

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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We need to restate that! I'm cleaning cases, dials, hands, sometimes I will rebuild a stem assembly. It can be said I do very well with bracelets, however I have many piles to demonstrate my inadequate abilities.

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Dan help, pipe in here?

No need for help. :lol: I have the same machine, just didn't know you were working on your own movements now: Cool!

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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I to use an inexpensive ultrasonic (Fabuluster $200 Canadian, eh) in baby food jars but I use the L&R cleaning and rinsing solutions. For watch parts, cases and bracelets (not together of course).

The Mark V I imagine does an amazing job but my Fabuluster hasn't failed me.

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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After spending an hour in the 102-degree in my garage tinkering with the machine, I can make it moderately functional again. I just need the circular ring with spring clips and 3 tabs that attaches to the drive shaft below the ultrasonic unit, and to which the basket attaches (example of an intact one pictured below).

Anybody have one, please let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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Is this the piece you need?
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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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I think so. I presume all the L&R baskets are the same size, but I'm not sure. Can you measure the outside diameter of the ring? And also, does the ring on yours separate from the drive shaft? Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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From my L&R machines...they are all different. It looks like changes were made over the years. All take the same baskets. One of the two that detach I could spare but the other is from complete and functional machine. let me know if what you need matches
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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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I usually use an old L&R eggbeater cleaner I bought on eBay for $75. I rewired it myself. It wouldn't pass any modern electrical safety test, what with exposed wiring underneath, but at least I converted it to 3-wire, with the machine grounded, and I understand what I'm working with.

I sometimes use a small ultrasonic for tiny movements, but the old watchmaker who taught me cleaning told me that ultrasonics may take off the thin gold on things like checkerboard damaskeening on pocket watches. So I bought the eggbeater and have continued to use it for wristwatches.


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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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Jim, you raise a good point and one to think about when considering a machine. I have heard from multiple people that non ultrasonic is better for vintage watches. I think "vintage" is a fairly broad term now and whether or not you need ultrasonic depends on what types of watches you spend the most time working on. Anything that looks to have a delicate finish I would certainly not cook in the ultrasonic. I have had a few bad experiences with ultrasonic cleaners. Nothing major.. just a few nickel pocket watch movements that came out with staining that I couldn't remove.


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 Post subject: Re: Recommend an ultrasonic cleaning machine
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I use a Watchmaster ultrasonic and have for over 30 years. It does everything I could want it to. Wash, rinse and dry.

They come up on Ebay every so often.
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GreenBayStamps wrote:
We need to restate that! I'm cleaning cases, dials, hands, sometimes I will rebuild a stem assembly. It can be said I do very well with bracelets, however I have many piles to demonstrate my inadequate abilities.

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GreenBayStamps wrote:
Dan help, pipe in here?

No need for help. :lol: I have the same machine, just didn't know you were working on your own movements now: Cool!

You clean dials and hands in a ultrasound machine ?

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