A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#21 Post by retroworx » Tue Apr 29, 2014 6:10 am

Yes, I believe I have indeed seen this one for sale as the "Parking Meter" watch -- didn't know they actually advertised it as such!
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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#22 Post by Azirphaeli » Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:04 pm

Oh hey, look at that!

Yeah this was a nice catch, but finding information about this (specific) watch seems fairly difficult. Doesn't help that everything on the internet wants to change my search from Vantage to Vintage! :x

You'll be pleased to note it's in great shape and running flawlessly which is pretty nifty.

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Hamilton-Ricoh => Vantage!

#23 Post by Ninja01 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:25 pm

On 1st page of this thread the Hamilton - Ricoh partnership discussed in Wikipedia was noted.

One more piece of info, the Wikipedia entry pointed to yet another site (which has been completely re-written, so the link that was in "Wiki" is now invalid). However, back when it was valid, I read it and noted that in there was the following statement:

"The Hamilton Ricoh Watch Company, Ltd. was a joint venture (60% owned by Hamilton) and only existed between 1962 and 1964. Electric parts were made in Lancaster, PA while the mechanicals parts were made in Japan, the watches also being assembled in Japan. The movements are marked "Ricoh 555E", but are the same as the Standard Time Corp. 130E (fitted in Hamilton's Vantage range), which in turn is very similar to the Hamilton 505.

Although the factory was turning out 1000 / month, very few were sold. Marketing was handled by Ricoh but they failed to break the stranglehold and monopoly that Seiko had in the Japanese stores; in the end, most were sold on US military bases in Japan.

The partnership was dissolved in 1965; some of the Hamilton Ricoh movements were re-cased as Vantage and sold in the US."

I added that to a section of a Japanese Watch Database I created for a Japan Watch Forum several years ago...

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I suppose I should also point out that the Hamilton-Ricoh electric had competition from at least 2 of the 3 larger Japanese firms in this arena:

1. Seiko EL370 movement from Suwa division & ELNIX model from Daini. Some info @ http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/thread/1240080895

and http://www.network54.com/Forum/78440/thread/1152663521

2. Citizen X8 Cosmotron - info available @ http://sweep-hand.org/

in http://sweep-hand.org/the-x8-cosmotron/

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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#24 Post by Mugea » Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:24 am

Just recently, I received another Vantage catalog of the 60s:
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I did not only receive the catalog, but this:
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OK, let’s lift up the lid a little:
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A little bit more:
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Now…. Drum roll…. Completely!
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Hurray!

Well, what makes the lid special: the front panel (with “Product of Hamilton” on it) is hinged to the top of the lid – consequently, this panel will stay upright (more or less). That’s an unusual design I haven’t seen before.
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The watch:
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The back unscrewed:
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Before being able to have a look on the movement a brass colored dust protection cap must be removed:


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Now, the movement will be visible
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This „125 S. T. CO.“ (for Standard Time) marked movement is, in fact, a German Durowe (INT) 7525/2:
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In other words:
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:lol: :mrgreen:

Alas, the case…. It was made by:
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Well….. Conde Co., Hong Kong….. some Hamilton military watches of the 70s/80s were made by this company too.
I don’t know, when this watch was made – I assume, in the 70s. This model isn’t listed in any Hamilton or Vantage catalog I’m aware of. It looks like a mix of the models C-39 (Automatic with date) and C-35 (Automatic w/o date)
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A comparable watch, also with a box is marked on the outer box as „Calmatic A“:

https://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/838 ... atch-1950s

So, maybe min is a „Calmatic B“ or „Calmatic C“? I don’t know….
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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#25 Post by Nookster » Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:53 am

The Lolli Pop Convention set. Pretty cool. Susan this is so you.

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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#26 Post by afire » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:51 am

All these Vantage ads and crazy watches are making me wish I had been around for the late '60s and early '70s. Pretty wild, swingin' stuff.
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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#27 Post by retroworx » Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:19 pm

Nookster wrote:
Tue Jun 19, 2018 11:53 am
The Lolli Pop Convention set. Pretty cool. Susan this is so you.
Mark, I am really beginning to worry about the impression you have of me. :lol:
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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#28 Post by HandyDan » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:19 pm

well, there was that time you went to the NAWCC mart... :lol:

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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#29 Post by mrtoad » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:31 pm

You never know where a Vantage will turn up. I recently bought a Hamilton electric that should have had a 505 movement in it. But it had a 555E instead. I guess some earlier collector had substituted when he couldn't fix the 505. It's running, so I may just leave it where I found it. I have several of the Vantage electrics. Most of the cases aren't of Hamilton quality, but the movements are, and the prices are often much lower than when the case and dial say Hamilton.

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Re: A Hamilton by any other name...Vantage!

#30 Post by hamiltonelectric » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:17 pm

Unfortunately, although the 505 and 555E have obvious similarities (and share some parts) they are different enough that it's not a simple matter to swap out one for the other. The original dial feet for the 505 dial would have to be cut off, and the dial affixed to the 555E with some kind of adhesive. Not the absolute worst that can happen with such "upgrades" but definitely an alteration.

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