Hamilton Boxes

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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#111 Post by inatime » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:32 pm

I am wondering if the guarantee affixed to the bottom of hamilton boxes that include a "watch no." and "case number" can identify the type of watch the box came with. Would the watch number refer to the movement serial number perhaps? or is there no relation to the movement and/or model with these two numbers?

I recently picked up the following box. Seems there are slight variations to this design.
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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#112 Post by retroworx » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:25 am

Very much earlier in this thread I had questions about whether my Putnam belonged in the square or rounded corner version of the early blue boxes. (Square corner came earlier than the round corner variant.)

This *might* be the answer for that, as well as the Grant and Webster:

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I say might, because this is a jeweler ad, not a Hamilton ad. I've learned that the jewelers used their own independent illustrations or photos, not sourced from Hamilton, and they sometimes took. . .well. . .liberties. I think they have with the bands in this ad, for instance. . . .
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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#113 Post by inatime » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:17 pm

retroworx wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:25 am
I say might, because this is a jeweler ad, not a Hamilton ad. I've learned that the jewelers used their own independent illustrations or photos, not sourced from Hamilton, and they sometimes took. . .well. . .liberties. I think they have with the bands in this ad, for instance. . . .
You're onto something here. I think the illustration is too close to your actual box that you previously posted that IMHO one could conclude which came first (square) and the square version is a good match for the Putnam that you (and I) inquired about some time ago.
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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#114 Post by Tank » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am

I've seen the '38 catalog pages that show the long Ivory boxes, but not the short ones. My Watson fits this one perfect, hoping it would be correct.
Anyone know otherwise?
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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#115 Post by Mugea » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:00 am

A 1954 version of the ivory box for Automatics:

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These ivory boxes with green color (instead of fawn) were issued for Automatics only. Inside, there’s no satin lining inside the lid, but a dark green leatherette (or something like this) with “Hamilton” in script and with “AUTOMATIC”:
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The insert and the watch holder aren’t covered with blue velvet, but with yellow cord:
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My assumption: these boxes were used in 1954 only, as 1954 was the first year of Hamilton Automatics and in 1955 the atomic boxes were introduced replacing the old gingerbread-style boxes. The box would be perfect for any Hamilton Automatic available in 1954, i. e. the Automatic K-200, Automatic K-201, Automatic K-300, Automatic K-301, Automatic K-350, Automatic K-400 cld, Automatic K-401, Automatic K-450, Automatic K501, Automatic K-502, Automatic K-550 or Automatic K-575 Calendar.

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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#116 Post by Mugea » Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:51 am

inatime wrote:
Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:32 pm
I am wondering if the guarantee affixed to the bottom of hamilton boxes that include a "watch no." and "case number" can identify the type of watch the box came with. Would the watch number refer to the movement serial number perhaps? or is there no relation to the movement and/or model with these two numbers?

I recently picked up the following box. Seems there are slight variations to this design.
Hi Patrick,

under certain circumstances you can at least identify the year the box was issued. Recently, I received a box what’s identical to yours:
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The numbers on the Guarantee plate are:
Watch No. 016790
Case No. H094367

The Case Number starts with a H, so it’s a Wadsworth Case. Luckily, there’s a list of Wadsworth Case Numbers and relating years:

http://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/t ... m/86410695

Consequently, the number is of 1937.

Regarding the movement number: the only candidate with such a low number and no prefix is the grade 987A:

http://www.vintagewatchforums.com/viewt ... ?f=24&t=28

This number is for 1937 too.

Well, in 1937 there were five models with a grade 987(A) and a Wadsworth case, i. e. Dixon, Morley, Scott, Sidney and Watson – one of them came with my box.

What are the numbers on your plate?


Anyway: for me it’s of greater importance to be able to nail down the year of production of this type of box to 1937.

And you are right: seems there are slight variations to this design. Compare with the box my 1936 Norfolk came with and the new acquisition:

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You see? The Norfolk box does not have the sticker on the front, but “Hamilton” in black letters on top of the lid (hardly to see on the photo). No Hamilton crest inside (like on the 1937 box), but a diagonally running ribbon with “Hamilton” on it.

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Re: Hamilton Boxes

#117 Post by inatime » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:52 pm

Tank wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:58 am
I've seen the '38 catalog pages that show the long Ivory boxes, but not the short ones. My Watson fits this one perfect, hoping it would be correct.
Anyone know otherwise?
A couple to distinguishing features between the years - the box shape and whether the Hamilton crest appears printed on the inside lid silk or whether "Hamilton" is printed (for the ivory bakelites). Your box I believe is later than your watch. The shape and printing on the inside are the distinguishing features. Your shaped box with the "Hamilton" printing is likely late 40s through 50s. I have a couple matching outer and inner originals similar to yours with watches that are dated early 50s. I posted a while ago in this thread of my Neil for instance.

Your Watson would likely be the long bakelite with a crest printed inside of lid silk but if it's an early Watson it could have also been in the coffin looking one I've also posted about.
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