C. Hurt wrote:
In order to be able to control the content on their board, it is deemed necessary to ask for the "non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable license for use of and the right to publish and distribute your postings for educational purposes. Such use includes threads or parts thereof that contain your own postings." That is a complicated way of saying they need your permission to post (ie publish) and keep your content on the board forever. Nowhere in that statement is there any evidence of intent to make money off of the research and knowledge that so many experts are freely willing to share.
You may also wish to note the preceding section (6.4) which plainly states "NAWCC warrant that you will retain full copyright ownership, rights, and privileges for each post that you make on this MB and the content therein, and you may reuse those posts in any way desired." And the following section (6.6) "NAWCC further agrees that it will not sell, transfer or license the right to copy and use threads from this MB to outside third parties."
So what exactly is the problem?
Thanks for responding and I appreciate your views on this and do understand that you are answering on your own here.
The main concern I have is that while the NAWCC warrants that you retain full copyright ownership, it also grants anyone in the NAWCC to reuse it as they see fit (boiling down that everything that the NAWCC is for education only and not for profit).
so one example is that 5 users each post different images of one type of movement. Someone decides that they are doing an article and require the images for the article, which is then published in the bulletin. All this is fine and I agree in theory that this is great. But what if I want to quote or use the article for my own educational research, what rights do I have for referencing the article on my own website which was born from my own content ? The article is copyrighted by the NAWCC as it should be.
Do posters from the forum automatically get credit for their data in any article published that references their data ?
What happens when the poster reuses their data/images for their own profit ? will the NAWCC claim copyright on data / images that have been referenced from the forum in articles ? Afterall, when the articles is published, it's copyrighted.
How is this data tracked and audited ? who's responsible for ensuring correct use of the images / data ?
Is this audit data publicly available ? after all, it will contain details from non NAWCC members
If I post in the forums, do I get notified that my images / data has been referenced in an article ?
What recourse do I have if I feel the article has taken my images / data out of context ? Do I get to comment / approve / reject the article before its published ? I know that clause 5 states due care will be excerised, but if I don't agree, what happens ? how is it handled, whats the process ?
It also shouldn't matter where the "Copyright by firstname lastname, reuse prohibited" is with in the post, according to most copyright councils across the world, as long as it is contained in the content at a point, it applies. The only reason I can see that this would be spelt out in the clauses is to stop people from adding it automatically in their signature and this is a real sad point, that its had to come to this, there is no mention of the "Copyright by firstname lastname, reuse prohibited" having to be at the top of the image, so why does it have to apply to the forum post at the first line.
I realise I'm getting into the nitty gritty and you may or may not be the right person to answer, if you feel that you would like to not answer, I respect that and ask that you ask the powers to be over at the NAWCC these questions on my behalf, you have my thanks in advance.
I think I was a little hasty in my first post, I do agree the NAWCC is great and the people in the Club do a great job. I have no issues with that, I do have issues with the membership of $72 a year, a banner on the forum begging for donations, ad's now being displayed on the forum, it shouldn't be this way but the new terms of service are just beyond my agreeing to them, in no way was I advising anyone not to join, just the reason that I wouldn't be joining. I know quite a few members of the NAWCC and the interactions of I've had with Adam on here have been great. You taking your time to respond to this post I also appreciate.
Thanks again for your time and understanding.