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 Post subject: Hamilton K-451: Franken or legit dial variation?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:43 am 
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Recently I landed a shabby looking Hamilton out of the bay. The seller only showed the watch in one single and blurry photo. I wasn’t sure what it was – the dial looks like the dial of a K-416, but the lugs were different. When I opened the watch I was surprised: K-451; L&K SN L719267.


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The other K-451s I saw so far all have a dial with the full set of numerals 1 to 12:

L713308, Red Arrow Second Hand, Squares on 12, 3, 6 and 9 , HAMILTON and AUTOMATIC curved:
http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Vintage-Hami ... 1579391322

L716470, Red Arrow Second Hand, Squares on 12, 3, 6 and 9 , HAMILTON and AUTOMATIC curved:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hamilto ... 6016.l4276

L720260, Second Hand missing, Squares on 12, 3, 6 and 9, HAMILTON and AUTOMATIC curved:
https://new.liveauctioneers.com/item/33 ... rist-watch


Others shown on the forum also have the “standard” dial with all numerals from 1 to 12:

http://www.vintagewatchforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=13835

viewtopic.php?p=17673

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=7423


Now, the big question: what do I have? Franken or real?


The problem with the K-451 is: it isn’t shown in any catalog or any other Hamilton publication I’m aware of. So, anything seems possible:

1/Dial variation.

In principle, there are some Hamilton models with two dial options, e.g. the K-455:


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My watch hasn’t been opened since years, if not to say since decades. Also, it’s not likely , the dial was changed (including the hands) to sell a watch for $38.

2/Franken – dial was changed - a K-416 dial was implanted. The most likely explanation, since the dial numerals are too different from the known K-451s.

So? What’s your opinion? Any input is welcome.

Regards

Martin


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 Post subject: Re: Hamilton K-451: Franken or legit dial variation?
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:46 pm 
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Don't know... looks like the dial could be from a K-416.

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 Post subject: Re: Hamilton K-451: Franken or legit dial variation?
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I bought this one because at the time, it was an uncatalogued and unknown (to me) model that seemed perfectly legit, at least as far as the case and movement. I didn't know what to make of the dial until Dan showed his example. Even in it's pink and green state, it's still the same configuration as Dan's in the photo thread. Having seen the finish on Dan's example, I'm not sure if this can even be refinished properly. It's looks like a sparkle finish. It's all good though, since my wife has adopted the pink and green as her own.

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