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Tiffany's Tiffany & Company Waltham Depollier

#1 Post by Literustyfan » Wed May 02, 2012 1:39 pm

This coming Friday in two days will be me and Tiffany's four year anniversary that we have been together, engaged but not married yet. So, I have been feverishly searching for a great present. This past Sunday I saw a watch that she has mentioned to me a couple of times over the years. Her name is Tiffany so she has this infatuation with all things from Tiffany & Company. Anyway, I bought the watch and it arrived this morning in the mail. With only two days until our anniversary I immediately got to work after I opened the package!

This is a 1914 Tiffany & Company Waltham Depollier.

These watches were made for Tiffany & Company by the American Waltham Watch Company using a case made by J. Depollier & Sons. Waltham and Depollier had a VERY close relationship at this point in time.

As you can see from the pictures this watch was is SERIOUS TROUBLE before any work had begun.

It had all sorts of issues like massive case damage, a badly cracked enamel dial, all three hands were the wrong ones, it had a golden crown that was wrong, it was filthy dirty and the movement had not been serviced in YEARS!!!

It was in pieces shortly after the BEFORE pictures were taken, remember I'm on a short deadline to get this watch done!

My biggest concern was the dial, it had sustained a massive amount of damage over the years and I was seriously doubting whether or not I would be able to save it. Working on a dial like this one can have a very high risk/high reward outcome. But, I was able to save the dial and it looks 100% better now. You can still see the large hairline that ran the length of the dial but it is MUCH better now. They don't always turn out like this, it's always a crap shoot when it comes to results with a dial that has this much damage.

The Sterling Silver J. Depollier & Sons case had two heavily damaged sections, those repairs turned out pretty good as well.

I replaced the WRONG hands with a set of correct hands for this watch and I re-lumed them a few hours ago.

It picture time now ! ! ! ! !

The before and after shots are right next to each other for easy viewing.

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And now for the WRISTSHOT ! ! ! ! !

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I hope that she will be pleased with her anniversary present ! ! !
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#2 Post by timeliz » Wed May 02, 2012 2:45 pm

Great job once again Stan! I'm sure Tiffany will be thrilled...happy anniversary and...Way to go!!!

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#3 Post by SeanO » Thu May 03, 2012 12:10 am

there's probably only one thing from Tiffany's that she actually wants.

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#4 Post by GeneJockey » Thu May 03, 2012 10:32 am

Wow! That's very cool! Nice job on the jimmy-marks! Looks like somebody tried to open it with a crowbar!

Now, if only there was a 'Hillary & Co.'
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#5 Post by GJH » Thu May 03, 2012 7:11 pm

DAMN STAN!!!!!

You did a UNBELIEVABLE Job on that badboy (I guess badgirl)

Talk about a rags to riches story....
Your casework is the best,
and it really looks SO much better all polished up.
The Dial came out SUPER too!

Tiffany should LOVE it!!!

Congrats Bro 8-)
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#6 Post by Literustyfan » Thu May 03, 2012 7:44 pm

Thank you very much ! ! !

I was VERY nervous working on that dial.

The case work was the hardest part of this one I think.

What in the hell was the idiot thinking when they tried to open the case ? ? ? ? ? ?

I think that he/she did try to use a crowbar ! ! !

If you don't know what in the hell you are doing just leave it alone, especially if it says "Tiffany & Co" on it ! ! ! ! !

If this was a size 3/0s I probably would have kept it for myself ! ! ! (hidden from Tiffany of course, LOL ! ! !).
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#7 Post by HandyDan » Fri May 04, 2012 2:40 pm

You do such nice work, Stan.

What did you do to address the dial issues and the case wear?
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#8 Post by Literustyfan » Sat May 05, 2012 4:51 am

When it came to the two really bad gouges on the sides of the case I started out with the rounded side of a jeweler's hammer, sterling silver is very soft so I was able to back fill the material that was displaced. Slight taps with the hammer, nothing too hard just MANY slight taps. After that I used Gray Bar and a 4" Muslin Wheel on the Arbe machine. I went back and forth between these two methods several times. When the desired results were getting close I changed over to a compound called Polinum on a different Muslim wheel, NEVER cross contaminate your compounds on one Muslin wheel!!! And then a final round of Polinum on the soft cloth wheel for the final round. The corner at the 2 o'clock position on the case was the more difficult damage to repair because I had the corner to deal with so that took more time, I had to ensure that I would not loose the corner's shape.

When you are trying to repair damage like this you MUST have the case put together!!! Methods like this WILL move material around so if the case is apart you run the serious risk of it not fitting back together properly and you will do more damage than what you are trying to fix.

When it came to the dial I used Dawn Dish Soap, Ammonia and that unmarked bottle of stuff that I found in my garage that works miracles. Several 30 second bursts in the ultrasonic machine and many Q-tips. When working on dials that have a triangle crack the ultrasonic machine is high risk - high reward. Triangle cracks on enamel dials can EASILY come completely off and then you are just screwed!!! This is why I only did 30 second bursts in the machine. You MUST tend the dial at all times when it's in the machine and if you see ANYTHING strange stop the cycle at once. Normally I would not put a dial that has sustained this much damage in the ultrasonic but somebody else layed some kind of enamel repair on the edge cracks, this helped maintain the integrity of the dial. The one giant crack is still there it's just rather difficult to see which was my goal from the start. When doing something like this you always say to yourself "should I do one more round"? I believe that I stopped after 6 rounds of treatment, the cracks were much less noticeable and anything more would have been just too much of a risk.

Not all enamel dials are made the same way! I have tried these methods on other enamel dials from different manufacturers with very poor results and the dial was ruined. But, sense this dial was manufactured by Waltham for Tiffany & Company I knew how far I could take the treatment. Not all manufacturers used the same methods when making their dials. Different grades enamel paint for the numerals and figures and then the re-firing methods that they used to ensure high end products. You really just have to know your brand and what is possible before trying something like this.
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#9 Post by Literustyfan » Sat May 05, 2012 4:58 am

Tiffany absolutely LOVED her gift ! ! !

Here is a shot of her wearing it yesterday and the Cubs game in Chicago, her gift to me.

These shots are from one of the roof top decks across the street from Wrigley Field.

(Cubs beat the Dodgers 5 to 4)

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#10 Post by mandy » Tue May 29, 2012 4:21 pm

What a lovely gift :) I entered here to look for a present for my father but as usual I ended up finding nice presents for myself :)

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