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 Post subject: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:25 pm 
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Hello

I'm new here.
I'm not going to beat around the bush. I've written a site based on my own idea of a world clock design. The idea is novel, as far as I know (I searched for it thoroughly).
The site is here:

http://intelnav.50webs.com/world_time.html

There's also an app to go with it, currently only for Android. It's here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... .worldtime

Now, the point is, if you launch the app on a properly-sized Android device, such as a big enough smartphone, you get something that closely resembles a world pocket watch. So I thought maybe some folks here would be interested to see it and give me their opinion. I for one would be very interested to know some opinions of people knowledgeable in the field.
As a final note, I'm sure the design could be improved. To me it looks good enough, but it certainly could be better. I'm not a watch designer, I'm a programmer. But you get the idea. You can imagine it with a different design if you want to, I won't mind. :)

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:06 am 
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Not much interest, as I see.
Whatever.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2016 4:17 pm 
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And with that attitude, we'll say bye-bye for awhile.

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:04 am 
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With that kind of attitude you'll remain stuck at one post per month (and I'm being polite).
Bye. Don't count on ever seeing me back here.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:53 am 
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Your need to improve your math skills since I've averaged 1+ posts per day since 2011 and have the third highest post count on the forum. :lol:

OK, what you've failed to understand is that we are firstly a vintage watch site. This means that although we're interested in horology, I'm guessing most of us enjoy watches because they are little timekeeping machines with springs, bearings, gears, etc. Manufacturing such tiny parts with such precision is almost mind-blowing. Add aesthetics and that is the allure for us.

Writing an app, however elegant it may be, just doesn't compare. I prefer the tangible, mechanical object. My opinion only.

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:40 am 
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OK, since I detect a clear change in attitude from your part I'll add a few things myself.
(As a side note, I honestly don't see what was wrong with my attitude that brought me that ban. I was just expressing my dissatisfaction that nobody cared to answer. I don't think I offended anybody. But whatever, it's just a minor issue.)

I do understand that this is your opinion and of many others here, and I respect it. And frankly I expected it. But I just hoped that maybe there will also be some folks who, while enjoying those wonderfully precise springs and gears (and, might I add, the great science that is behind the mechanism as a whole), could see the similarity, novelty and usefulness of my app + site (they work together). Or at least that's how I see it.
Frankly, and more to the point, I was hoping maybe a few people would say they like the idea. Even if of course it's far from a vintage pocket watch (but there is also a good chunk of similarity, I don't think anybody can deny that). Well, it didn't happen so that's it. Life goes on.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
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I do not understand this app. Why does it show New Deli and Tehran if I am in EST zone?
Why are some city names in white and others in blue?
The instructions are listed below the image?
The city names look offset..

What is this app coded in?

if you had to present this app for project approval how would you answer these questions?

How does this make our company more efficient?
How does this cut our current cost?

and just to mention I am a PM in IS&T for 30+ years..... 8-)

To me technology is what I what to get away from and vintage watches help me do just that!


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
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VSim wrote:
OK, since I detect a clear change in attitude from your part I'll add a few things myself.
(As a side note, I honestly don't see what was wrong with my attitude that brought me that ban. I was just expressing my dissatisfaction that nobody cared to answer. I don't think I offended anybody. But whatever, it's just a minor issue.)

I do understand that this is your opinion and of many others here, and I respect it. And frankly I expected it. But I just hoped that maybe there will also be some folks who, while enjoying those wonderfully precise springs and gears (and, might I add, the great science that is behind the mechanism as a whole), could see the similarity, novelty and usefulness of my app + site (they work together). Or at least that's how I see it.
Frankly, and more to the point, I was hoping maybe a few people would say they like the idea. Even if of course it's far from a vintage pocket watch (but there is also a good chunk of similarity, I don't think anybody can deny that). Well, it didn't happen so that's it. Life goes on.


You didn't offend anyone, but your dismissive attitude was the reason for the time out.

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:00 am 
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Glad you agree I didn't offend anybody.
Also, glad to see some folks at least showing some interest.

JerseyMo wrote:
I do not understand this app. Why does it show New Deli and Tehran if I am in EST zone?
Why are some city names in white and others in blue?
The instructions are listed below the image?

There are indeed a few notes, you can call them instructions if you like, below the image. Please read them and if you have further questions I'll be glad to answer them. It's not that complicated.

JerseyMo wrote:
How does this make our company more efficient?
How does this cut our current cost?

Come on. It's not a productivity tool. It's just an app for the average user. Like a pocket watch. How would you answer these questions for your favorite vintage pocket watch ? :)


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:22 am 
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"There are indeed a few notes, you can call them instructions if you like, below the image. Please read them and if you have further questions I'll be glad to answer them. It's not that complicated."

The landing page correctly identifies my time zone yet the cities listed in the top right cornet are wrong.
The app should be intuitive and I do not find that to be the case. I suggest you place the instructions "Which there are more than a few" along side the clock rather than below.
So instead of directing me to read the very complicated instructions, you should have explained to me how to change the setttings.
Go Read the BOL is not what an end user wants to hear.

JerseyMo wrote:
How does this make our company more efficient?
How does this cut our current cost?

Come on. It's not a productivity tool. It's just an app for the average user. Like a pocket watch. How would you answer these questions for your favorite vintage pocket watch ? :)[/quote]

A cheeky use of the Socratic Method will not work on me. (AKA - answering a question with a question).

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
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JerseyMo wrote:
The landing page correctly identifies my time zone yet the cities listed in the top right cornet are wrong.

How are they wrong ? Do they have the wrong time ?

JerseyMo wrote:
The app should be intuitive and I do not find that to be the case. I suggest you place the instructions "Which there are more than a few" along side the clock rather than below.

Thanks for the advice but it stays as it is. I fail to see how placing them alongside instead of below makes things more intuitive. They still have to be read.
I prefer them to be below for design reasons. I imagine the basic use case of the app as the user holding the device, probably a medium-sized phone, vertically, because that's how it's usually done. Then he sees the clock and the beginning of the instructions, so he knows they're there. Then he can enlarge portions of the screen and read them if he needs to. You're probably seeing it on a PC screen. Which of course is also an important way of viewing the site but the mobile view has precedence IMO. I could of course write something like "see notes below" to the right of the clock if the screen is landscape. Maybe I'll do it at some point.

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So instead of directing me to read the very complicated instructions, you should have explained to me how to change the settings.
Go Read the BOL is not what an end user wants to hear.

Sometimes things aren't that simple and the user has to read the instructions and the help. That's what they're for. My app isn't the only program that has instructions. If you find them very complicated, well, I disagree but it's your opinion. I did the best I could to keep them simple.
Anyway, did you at least read them ?
Anyway, why would you want to change the settings when you say the default time zone is right ? Do you have the right time for the cities in your time zone ? If so, you don't need to change any settings.

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A cheeky use of the Socratic Method will not work on me. (AKA - answering a question with a question).

As I told you already, your questions are irrelevant to my app IMO. So of course I won't answer them. Unless you answer them for your preferred vintage pocket watch first :) . Then depending on your answer I might try to do something similar. But I don't promise anything.

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What is this app coded in?

Going back to this question, the app itself is in Java, in Android Studio. But the app is just a very small part of the program functionality. It's basically just a shortcut to the site. The site is in the standard Web technologies, HTML + CSS + JavaScript.
This way I can make the necessary changes and improvements to the program which the user sees immediately, without needing to upgrade anything. And I hope I'll never have to change the app itself any more, though of course one can never know for sure. It's basically an app in the cloud. Which has its drawbacks but IMO the benefits far outweigh them, at least in this case.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
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OK, I was hoping to have a constructive dialog. I thought you either have genuine questions you want clarified, for yourself, or maybe you're trying to help me improve things. But you're exaggerating things grossly, and trying to lecture me, as I see.
If you change your mind and want me to actually clarify things you didn't understand, I'm all yours. Until then - bye.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:51 pm 
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Hello all

Just want to let you know that I've sort of taken care of the design problem. Of course, not by becoming a watch designer. Neither did I hire one. Instead, I took a classic (and publicly available) style and changed my site to it. It's the obvious choice for a style. You can admire it here:

http://intelnav.50webs.com/world_time.html

Now, of course, if by any chance anybody wants to comment on whether the new look is better than the old one, I'm all ears. Also, if anybody would like to suggest another possible design. But only public-domain ones for now.
Anyway, in the not so distant future I hope I'll provide both styles optionally for the user, as well as a few other very interesting style options. But I'm not there yet.

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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:31 pm 
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The hour hand seems to function as a jump hour?
At 3:29 the hour hand is fixed on the 3.
To people who use analogue timepieces this just appears wrong.
Yes it is easy to adapt to but my brain doesn't like looking at it the way it is.
There is some feebback you asked for.


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 Post subject: Re: world pocket watch
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:53 pm 
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Thanks for the feedback.
Guilty as charged. :)
Indeed, I only used 2 positions per hour for the hour hand, one at the hour mark and one at the half-hour. For the obvious reason it's easier like this, I only have to have 24 images for the small hand. I could of course make more, the code itself wouldn't be more complicated (not by much anyway) but I would need to create the images. I didn't think anybody would consider this important enough to comment on it. (In a way, it's a good think that people don't have anything more serious to criticize.)
I'll probably take this into account at some point and make 4 positions per hour for the hour hand. More would be useless I think, 4 per hour is almost 1 per minute so it seems to be enough. So, I noted your observation. But I can't promise I'll do it very quickly, I have a lot of other things planned that I consider more important. I guess I'll get to it sometime this year. :)


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