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Vacheron Constantin Help

#1 Post by Craig50 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 7:42 pm

As I mentioned in a previous post I inherited my late uncles pocket watch collection. Unfortunately, I did not get to know him but found out he was an avid pocket watch collector and did watch repair as well. He passed in the early 1990's and I took his collection and put it away. Last month (January 2018) I started cataloging his collection and ran across this Vacheron Constantin. I immediately sent an email to Vacheron supplying them with the movement number and case numbers asking them for any information they could give me about the year of production and model information. They responded back and basically said that if I sent them $975 (and the watch) that they would provide me a letter of authenticity and an approximate value. My question is: Does anyone know the approximate manufacture date and model number of this watch? As always I really appreciate everyone's help. I've found a new hobby! Pocket watches are truly fascinating and researching them has become very interesting. Thank you all very much for your insight.
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Re: Vacheron Constantin Help

#2 Post by Craig50 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:45 pm

Vacheron emailed me back and said the moment date is 1900 and the case is not theirs. Was sent to the US around that time to a jeweler. As far as approximate value they wouldn't say unless I send it to them...

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#3 Post by JerseyMo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:14 pm

Very interesting that the movement is dated to 1900 and the script on the back has 1917. I would suggest that since our uncle was a avid collector he very well may have re-cased the movement at some point in time.
If you look on Ebay for similar sold items you can get a ball park idea of what others were willing to pay. You can also use Worth Point as a resource although there you must pay and join to get information on sold items.

What other watches are in the collection?
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#4 Post by JerryT » Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:41 pm

I try to collect photos of V&C watches for research purposes and among these I have a picture of No.314,664 which was presented in 1902. Your number is a little lower, so 1900 is a very reasonable estimate. The case was made in the United States by Jeannot & Schiebler, one of the best case makers. The case, combined with the 20- or 21-jewel movement makes this a very fine watch, indeed. I would say that the case style is more in line with the 1900 date than 1917, so I would think the case is original. I have found that the top-quality watches sometimes sat in jeweler inventory for several years, so a 1917 purchase is not out-of-the-question.

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#5 Post by JerseyMo » Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:42 pm

so now I'm curious as to how the case looks 1900 compared to 1917. What characteristic would help identify the era?
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#6 Post by Craig50 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:10 pm

JerseyMo wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:14 pm
Very interesting that the movement is dated to 1900 and the script on the back has 1917. I would suggest that since our uncle was a avid collector he very well may have re-cased the movement at some point in time.
If you look on Ebay for similar sold items you can get a ball park idea of what others were willing to pay. You can also use Worth Point as a resource although there you must pay and join to get information on sold items.

What other watches are in the collection?
5 Hamilton (1906, 1914, 1923, 1928, 1916)
3 Illinois (1876, 1921, 1923)
2 Ball (1930, 1931)
5 Waltham (1907, 1936, 1945, 1890, 1915)
1 Vacheron (1900)
1 Howard (1923)

I'm verifying his data against the internet and various books.

Everything is in pristine condition with the exception of the Waltham 1915 - which has a stripped Crown and/or stem. Its currently being serviced by Northern Partners.

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#7 Post by Craig50 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:12 pm

JerryT wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 4:41 pm
I try to collect photos of V&C watches for research purposes and among these I have a picture of No.314,664 which was presented in 1902. Your number is a little lower, so 1900 is a very reasonable estimate. The case was made in the United States by Jeannot & Schiebler, one of the best case makers. The case, combined with the 20- or 21-jewel movement makes this a very fine watch, indeed. I would say that the case style is more in line with the 1900 date than 1917, so I would think the case is original. I have found that the top-quality watches sometimes sat in jeweler inventory for several years, so a 1917 purchase is not out-of-the-question.
Thank you very much for the case maker information!!!

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#8 Post by JerseyMo » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:24 am

sounds like a super collection!
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#9 Post by JerryT » Fri Feb 23, 2018 1:08 am

JerseyMo wrote:
Wed Feb 21, 2018 5:42 pm
so now I'm curious as to how the case looks 1900 compared to 1917. What characteristic would help identify the era?
I judge these by the shape of the pendant. If the neck of the pendant has a round cross-section with ornamental ridges, like this one, it tends to be earlier. By the 'teens the neck of the pendant gets a little longer and simpler and may have an oval cross-section and a slight taper toward the crown. The 'twenties see a shortening of the neck and bows become a little more ornate. By 1930 you start seeing cases with no neck at all. There are no sharp demarcations -- conservative styles persisted for a long time and progressive case makers sometimes introduce newer styles earlier. Winding crowns, also, seem to show a progression with the round crowns mostly in the 19th century, and then they start to flatten in the 1890s or so.

These really are generalizations based on lots of observations and studying period catalogs.

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Re: Vacheron Constantin Help

#10 Post by JerseyMo » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:13 pm

Thanks Jerry: Those are good indicator to help determine general age period.
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