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 Post subject: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:48 am 
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Is it proper that this watch would have a signed Gruen crown?


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:10 am 
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Kul-Tymz wrote:
Is it proper that this watch would have a signed Gruen crown?

What watch :roll: ?
I don't see any watch. Got any pictures?

Not all watch manufactures used signed crowns.

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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
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Kul-Tymz wrote:
Is it proper that this watch would have a signed Gruen crown?


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:17 am 
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Yes, it should originally have had a "G" signed crown...


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:23 am 
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Barney Green wrote:
Yes, it should originally have had a "G" signed crown...


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 10:35 am 
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I appreciate the info. I'll now look for a "G" signed crown for it. THANK YOU!


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:04 pm 
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I thought the "G" crowns were the later version and the early watches had the "Gruen" signed crown. None of the kits I have from Gruen have "G" crowns in them.

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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:19 pm 
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Mike, you should be right with coerrecting me. I did not pay attention when the switch from "Gruen" to "G" happened. What I meant was that the crown should at least have been signed, so the crown on the photo is definitely not the original one.


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:14 am 
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This is a little outside my usual era, but I would expect most 311 and 330 Curvexes to have unsigned crowns. It may or may not be the original crown (looks about right to my eyes), but I doubt the original crown was signed.

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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:08 am 
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Thanks all for the discussion. I guess an original ad for this watch, one that showed the crown would be the defining anser but likely such an ad does not exist. Thanks again.


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:06 am 
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There are ads showing the crown. But all the ads are drawings, no photos, so I don't know if they are detailed enough. All crowns from that period in the ads look plain, so afire might be correct...
Unfortunately I do not own a single 311 or 330 watch, so I do not have a reference. The probably biggest collection of photos here: http://gruen.watch/?product_cat=curvex
shows 311s and 330s with and without Gruen signed crowns. So I assume that the signed ones are the originals but I might be wrong with my assumption.


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:41 am 
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You're right Barney about ads not showing the signed crowns, generally speaking. A FEW of the watches in the Identification Guides show what looks like obscured writing on some crowns.

For example, on page 27 of Volume 1, the 1940 Curvex Cadet shows what sure looks like "Gruen" or at least where the Gruen goes some shading is present that looks like exactly where the word would go.

The style of the crowns shown in the ads also helps. For example, I think we're used to seeing the large, unsigned crowns on Quadrons that are somewhat easy to spot.

Using the ads and some previously displayed New Old Stock Gruens, I estimate that signed crowns showed up around 1938-1940, perhaps earlier on some specific models.

Purely a 2 cents kind of answer to take or leave.

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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
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I worked my way back to the source material for that 1940 Curvex Cadet and found that the VT Arrow on the same ad also has a signed crown.


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 Post subject: Re: Gruen 52mm Majesty
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MikeTheWatchGuy wrote:
For example, on page 27 of Volume 1, the 1940 Curvex Cadet shows what sure looks like "Gruen" or at least where the Gruen goes some shading is present that looks like exactly where the word would go.

This would make sense to me. That's around the time the 440 was released, and I know I've seen 440 Curvexes more often than not with signed crowns. But I think the Majesty should be unsigned.

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