Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

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Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#1 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:27 am

I noticed that this 1945 Veri-Thin Elridge case has a bezel/caseback design that is similar to the original 1924 Gruen Tank watch.

I don't recall seeing any other Gruen non-tank watches that have this kind of design.

The Gruen Watch Makers [sic] Guild book has this to day about this case design:
Tank cases are made in two parts; an upper and lower section.
The strap pin lugs are stamped out as a part of the case itself
— not soldered-on extensions. As shown in the diagram,
both halves snap together, positioning the movement se­curely
and interlocking the strap lugs to give greatest case
strength. The patented dust-proof crown construction is
also used. With but the single opening, this makes the case
virtually dust and damage proof.



Any ideas as to why they would have made this Veri-Thin watch have the same case design as the tank that was made 20 years prior? Could it have been a "re-issue" of sorts? The ad I used to identify the model name said only this about the case: "Handsome case."
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#2 Post by watchdoc » Thu Jan 19, 2017 1:02 pm

Boy, I couldn't even begin to help you answering any questions you have :o but that is one nice watch Mike! 8-)
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#3 Post by timeliz » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:33 pm

Mike,

I'm sure you've seen it before and just forgot.
This one is called the Touchdown: http://vintagegruen.org/vgforum/index.p ... 3&start=0&
There is another with slightly differnent dimensions with same style case called the Morgan.
I'll post a comparison photo once I find it.

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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#4 Post by timeliz » Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:56 pm

Found it...the Morgan (strap 421) dial is shorter, hence the bezel is different to compensate; although basically very similar.
Both house a cal 430.

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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#5 Post by Bazzab » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:03 pm

Gruen also offered a solid 14kt gold case,also made by Star
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#6 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:33 pm

timeliz wrote:Mike,

I'm sure you've seen it before and just forgot.
This one is called the Touchdown: http://vintagegruen.org/vgforum/index.p ... 3&start=0&
There is another with slightly differnent dimensions with same style case called the Morgan.
I'll post a comparison photo once I find it.
It's not a Touchdown. The VT Touchdown is a 430 455, has a Guildite back.
I'm pretty sure the model I posted is a VT Elridge.

Anyway, was looking for information about why a split-lug design would be employed in a mid-40's Gruen and wondering if other models also had the older Tank style lugs.
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#7 Post by Bazzab » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:19 am

This is from the Gruen Guild Book 1927
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The patent for this case design was issued in 1926

For further information on the Gruen Tank visit
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#8 Post by Bazzab » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:27 am

Note, Date in 1st line,should read 1929 not 1927
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#9 Post by watchdoc » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:14 am

Bazzab wrote:Note, Date in 1st line,should read 1929 not 1927
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Yea, I tried editing one of my posts this morning and was unable to do so also?????
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Re: Split lug (Gruen Tank style) case 1945. Tank "re-issue"?

#10 Post by afire » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:52 am

MikeTheWatchGuy wrote:...looking for information about why a split-lug design would be employed in a mid-40's Gruen...
I can't think of any specific reason. Maybe just coincidence, or maybe one of the designers just happened to think of the old Tank model and decided to use the design again.

These 1940s "Tanks" would be the only Gruen cases of this design that I can think of that weren't made in-house. IIRC, all of the Tank cases were in-house, including the reinforced gold cases. They also used these stamped cases on many of the domestic solid gold Quadrons.
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