Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#11 Post by Mugea » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:20 pm

Thank you all for your input!

@veritas123: thanks for the number! I immediately ordered one!

Adam: thanks for your offer - but I really was fast in ordering. Before your offer was made….

@kastner: ah, so it's a "Cadet", no "Comet"? Interesting.

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Martin

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#12 Post by GaryM » Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:58 am

kastner wrote:Far be it from me to disagree with Gary and Barney on a name, but why the Comet? If you look at Mike's 1940s book on page 216 there's a front view of the Cadet that to my eye looks exactly like what Martin and I have. Even the dial is the same. What am I missing?
Who knows Jason... :lol: This probably stumped the experts. Seriously I cannot tell the difference. Oh my aging eyes!

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#13 Post by GaryM » Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:28 am

GaryM wrote:
kastner wrote:Far be it from me to disagree with Gary and Barney on a name, but why the Comet? If you look at Mike's 1940s book on page 216 there's a front view of the Cadet that to my eye looks exactly like what Martin and I have. Even the dial is the same. What am I missing?
Who knows Jason... :lol: This probably stumped the experts. Seriously I cannot tell the difference. Oh my aging eyes!
Looking at those lugs will get ya every time. Yes on p210 the Comet doesn't show the flared out lugs like the Cadet. So be it.

FWIW - The "edit your post" has gone missing here at this forum. Either that or my aging eyes are at it again. :evil:

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#14 Post by kastner » Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:57 am

Looking at those lugs will get ya every time. Yes on p210 the Comet doesn't show the flared out lugs like the Cadet. So be it.
There is something going on with the Comet lugs but the angle of the picture makes it hard to see exactly what. If there hadn't been the Cadet just a few pages later I could certainly go with calling this watch a Comet.

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#15 Post by Barney Green » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:33 am

The Cadet has lugs which are remaining same width from the bezel towards the springbar ends whereas the lugs of the Comet become wider from the bezel towards the strap. This is to me the most obvious difference. The dials seem to have been changed during the different years of production, whereas the case is a unique identifier for each model.
Unfortunately I do not have Mikes book with me, I am on travel this week.

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#16 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:54 am

Kastner is correct... it's a Curvex Cadet, not a Curvex Comet

The biggest mismatch is the style number. A Comet has a 440-544 Style Number
The Comet's bezel is thinner between the lugs than this watch

Here is a Curvex Comet for comparison
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(more photos can be found here -- 1946 Curvex Comet)

Nice ID Jason!
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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#17 Post by Mugea » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:45 am

Hi Mike,

thanks for confirming, that my Curvex actually is a Cadet, no Comet. Most interesting!

Regarding the box: any chance, that the box could match the watch?

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Martin

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#18 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:37 am

Hmmm... I don't know boxes and the history of when they went from one style to the next.

I'll say it "does not look inconsistent" with boxes from that era. Gruen had gotten away with that blue colored box they sold the first Curvexes by the time your watch was sold.

When you order a crystal, be sure you use the 440-449 style number rather than the model name :-)

I have located a thin glass Watchcraft crystal that should fit your watch. If you are interested, please PM me.
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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449

#19 Post by Barney Green » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:41 am

Sorry to say, but I still disagree. Mike, could you please take a look into your source material and compare it with your book. All the ads I have show to me that this is not the Cadet but a Comet. I might be wrong but I have a number of ads showing the picture match the Comet.

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Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449 (Curvex Cadet)

#20 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:30 am

Perhaps we're talking about two different Curvex Cadets?

Mr. Kastner pointed us towards an image found in the Decade Series book, The 1940s on page 216 of a Curvex Cadet. Best I can tell, it's the ONLY image of this specific model of Curvex Cadet, advertised in 1947. That's the best feature of these Decade Series books, obscure models are often found only here.

As previously stated, not only are the cases a match, but so is the dial. I think it was a great ID.

The area I would like to direct your attention to is between the lugs. On the Cadet there is an "extra bit of metal" between the lugs. The Curvex Comet does not have this extra bit of metal.

I have highlighted these portions of the bezel in yellow on the original photo of the watch that was in the initial post.
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These highlighted areas on the bezel are not present in the Curvex Comet (on pages 186 and 210 of The 1940s book).
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