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 Post subject: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 1:29 am 
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Have a Curvex grade 440, style number 449, Wadsworth case number G770201 with some questions. Hope, somebody can answer.


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First question: for some reasons the watch received a bevelled crystal what I don’t like that much and I’m looking for a normal crystal. Can somebody tell me, what crystal would match?

Second question: the box. Is it a match or what type of box would be a match? Gruen boxes are a science of its own….

Last question: did the watch had a name?

Best regards

Martin


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 9:00 am 
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I have this same watch, case number G768916.

My watch has a curved crystal with the edges slightly sloped from the top to where they meet the case. It does not have a "peak" like yours appears to have. I don't have a crystal number for you but I've found Kurt Ryerson to be an excellent source for crystals.

No idea about the case box it was sold with. I've got a half dozen different styles of boxes and that's not even scratching the surface of what's out there.

As for the name, the Wadsworth case method of dating in Dating a Gruen Wristwatch from a Wadsworth Case Serial Number by Jack Wood, the G76 and G77 for our watches puts them at 1946/1947 and in Mike Barnett's book http://www.lulu.com/shop/mike-barnett-and-shari-barnett/gruen-the-1940s-a-decade-of-watches-from-the-daily-news/paperback/product-20950013.html there's a watch called the Cadet advertised in 1947 that looks like ours.

I will note that according to Mike Barnett and Barry Cooper's article

http://www.gruenwristwatches.com/resources/Style_Number_Article/Revolutionary%20New%20Gruen%20Dating%20Technique.pdf

the style number of 449 first appeared in 1941. I think that's the biggest disconnect on a year that I've run across.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 12:56 pm 
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If you don't find a crystal, let me know the dimensions as I have tons of Gruen crystals.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:36 pm 
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I'm showing three styles of crystal for the 440-449 Gruen . None are a gabled crystal.

There is a standard thickness Military ( bent ) and a High Profile Military ( small side walls that elevate the top ) as you currently have but without the gable. Just a smooth curved surface. The one most shown in the various catalogs is the standard thickness.

Which one is correct becomes a matter of personal choice.

All the above are in glass.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:56 pm 
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I believe this is a Curvex Comet. Note that the dial was redone at some point in it's lifetime. 1947 give or take for the year based on the simple "G7" prefix.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:32 am 
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Gary is absolutely right The watch shown is the Curvex Comet, introduced late 1946 and having been available until at least late 1949. It should not have had a bevelled crystal.


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:52 am 
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Thank you all for your contribution!

Ah, it’s a “Comet”, I see. Yes I know, the original crystal did not have a gable – it does since a year or so, when somebody, who paid for the repair had the brilliant idea to wear it for a week…. :roll: it dropped on the floor….. and he cared for a new crystal……. When I bought it 22 years ago, it was alright with the crystal… :evil:

Nobody has a crystal number (e. g. GS xyz) or the like? Too bad, but I’m not in a hurry.

Thanks also for dating it. Yes, the dial isn’t in best condition – but as it was my very first vintage watch, I’ll leave it as is.

Best regards

Martin


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 1:47 pm 
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Sorry for the omission

GS CMX 358-25


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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
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I'm sure I have a plastic crystal if you still need one.

Let me know.

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 Post subject: Re: Questions regarding a Curvex 440-449
PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:16 pm 
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Far be it from me to disagree with Gary and Barney on a name, but why the Comet? If you look at Mike's 1940s book on page 216 there's a front view of the Cadet that to my eye looks exactly like what Martin and I have. Even the dial is the same. What am I missing?


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