ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

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ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#1 Post by inatime » Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:57 pm

Hi all

Any chance someone might help ID this 1930 ladies? Mikes website confirms the Wadsworth case along with the style number and movement caliber to 1930 but I'd benefit from a catalog pic and/or a model name. Thanks in advance.
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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#2 Post by Magpie » Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:15 pm

Unlike some of the other watch manufacturers of that period, Gruen didn't seem to go in for putting "names" on its ladies' models, so I believe the style number and movement caliber is about as much ID as you'll find. (Perhaps there might be a picture somewhere, though.)

It's a very pretty watch -- looks like a lovely case, and I particularly like the dial design and those very cool numerals!

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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#3 Post by Barney Green » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:10 am

All information given on Mikes webpage and by Magpie is valid and correct. Unfortunately you watch is from 1930 and one of the last without a sales name.
From the Gruen Guild book 1931 supplement and from the "Catalog" we have to refer to it as Cartouche 423.

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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#4 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:54 am

One bit of info that can be inferred from the combination of the case serial and style number is that your watch is on of the earlier ones made.

When both the style number and case dates match, they tend to tie the watch to that date +- a year. The 1930 date is about as solid as they come. Movement serials for 835 will hopefully be added soon so that 3 data points would be available, perhaps indicating if your movement is likely to be original (I've nothing that indicates otherwise at this point).
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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#5 Post by inatime » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:26 pm

Thanks all! Any chance the watch showed up in a catalog?
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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#6 Post by Barney Green » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:13 am

It did:
"From the Gruen Guild book 1931 supplement and from the "Catalog" we have to refer to it as Cartouche 423."
So it is pictured and mentioned in these two documents.

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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#7 Post by GaryM » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:12 pm

Hi Patrick,

To add a little excitement to your cartouche, it comes from the Jean Aegler Guild, Aegler S.A.

Gruen and Rolex were Aegler’s largest clients during the Guild period.

Have you joined up with the Chapter 121 folks? We are planning for our regional in May, 17th-19th and 121 is heavily involved.

Cheers!
Gary

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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#8 Post by Barney Green » Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:05 am

If it is excitement you need, you may enjoy an advertisement of the time showing your watch. Different dial, but this is also the one shown in the two "official" documents mentioned before. The dials with Gruen varied at that time, you were even able to choose from different dials to go with your watch. Features like embossed gold figures, radium dials or plain ones were available.
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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#9 Post by GaryM » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:27 am

More and more excitement you can also call it a Alpina 835 (Rolex 200). The Gruen 835 is interchangeable with the Rolex 200 and the Alpina 835.

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Re: ID 1930 Ladies Gruen

#10 Post by inatime » Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:20 pm

Thank you all! I truly love this forum and collective knowledge. Yes, would love to attend the chapter this May. I will check the web for details and see what it takes to join.

My wife is stoked we have more info on her watch and the interesting info on the shared movement.
Patrick

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