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#21 Post by hps » Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:48 am

Do any of you know the model name? And is there a way to find out how many were made?

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Re: Writing

#22 Post by Barney Green » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:10 am

There have not been any names to Alpina Gruen pocket watches at all. These were only sold in Europe between 1929 and 1938. No way to find out, how many were build. But it is a fact that the Alpina Gruen watches were a sales desaster, so it definitely have not been many that have been built, your watch is rare.

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#23 Post by hps » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:35 am

Thank you

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#24 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:15 am

hps wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:41 pm
Here is a picture of the dial.
This has to be my favorite design of Gruen pocket watch dials. Deco before deco was deco. It matches most closely the Semi 83. The Empire 67-72 also had similar dials. (ref pages 9 and 17 from The Gruen Watch Catalog)

The 18K case reminds me of the Empire series of cases and dials.

The 'Guild Era' marked the end of the 18K cases. Between the Stock Record Book and the Watchmaker Guild Books, I count 121 watches with 18K cases. That's a LOT of gold!
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#25 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:19 am

JackW wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 5:16 pm
MikeTheWatchGuy wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:34 pm
Well then, by all means traipse on over to some place where the answer is willing to be posted. :|
That sounds derogatory, Mike.
Sorry for leaving a bruise. :| Thanks for setting me straight.

I found the prior posts to be cheap, traffic driving posts, rather than actually solving an answer. I won't tell you, but if you visit this site we'll tell you the answer.
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Re: Writing

#26 Post by hps » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:40 am

MikeTheWatchGuy wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 7:15 am
hps wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:41 pm
Here is a picture of the dial.
This has to be my favorite design of Gruen pocket watch dials. Deco before deco was deco. It matches most closely the Semi 83. The Empire 67-72 also had similar dials. (ref pages 9 and 17 from The Gruen Watch Catalog)

The 18K case reminds me of the Empire series of cases and dials.

The 'Guild Era' marked the end of the 18K cases. Between the Stock Record Book and the Watchmaker Guild Books, I count 121 watches with 18K cases. That's a LOT of gold!
It is very beautiful. I have searched the internet but not seen another one like it.

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#27 Post by JackW » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:44 pm

Barney Green wrote:
Mon Jan 29, 2018 12:23 am
Jack, the weight of the cases is mentioned on page 63 of that catalog. Glad to hear that you received it!
Barney, I did on Saturday. I owe you for your help in getting it. Much appreciated.

btw... I went back to both the 1918 and the 1939 catalog, both shoe the V3 and the V4. The V3 is shown with a reduced barrel bridge. So I think V4 is the OP's watch as is mine.

I too seem to be lacking any solid gold pocket watches. Hmmm. To wit, the perusal of eBay to get an idea. Hence was hoping you'd comment on those. Maybe you are right. That would be interesting for notice on future sales of the cases; two of the sellers mention the weight, but I cannot say if that is with or without the movement. The one with 110 is listed as 105g of gold. Just have a hard time thinking that they stuck nearly 3 oz of 14 k into a case. Also the buyer got the watch for less then scrap value. sheesh. Hope it did just go right to the refiner.
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Re: Writing

#28 Post by Barney Green » Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:55 am

Jack,

what made me thinking this being a V3 is the word "PRECISION" on the large bridge at this movement.
But you are totally right, from the 1939 catalog it is visible that V1, V2 and V3 share the reduced barrel bridge design.
So I agree that this is a V4. Looks like the later ones carried the precision markings. My four V4s are all marked as yours but I assume that they are from 1915 to 1920...


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#29 Post by hps » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:44 am

Thank you all for your interest and help. One last question. Is this of any value? Should I have it insured?

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#30 Post by Barney Green » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:31 am

Hi,

of cause it is of value. 50gramm of 18k gold are worth about $1500. Anyone should at least pay you this money. Plus the adder someone is willing to pay for the watch itself. And this varies between nothing to anything. But I would assume that you will get the middle between nothing and anything which is something :-)

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