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Re: Straps 126 and 127

#11 Post by JackW » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:12 am

afire wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 1:30 pm
But is the theory that every model of case that Gruen ordered from Wadsworth was made in a minimum quantity of 2000
Well, the talk by Cleeves was based on his interview with a Wadsworth employee that was there in the 1950s at the end. I don't disagree with the points that anyone is making. But on not an insignificant number, the lines of goldfilled cases in the later 40s and after, batches do seem to be in groups of 2000. Wadsworth's Pan Am case are what come to mind.

In the 20s and 30s, this may not be true for all models. Heck even later... I'm sure that solid gold ones were not made in the same quality as the GF even at Wadsworth.

How this idea pans out with all the other case makers is a great question.
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Re: Straps 126 and 127

#12 Post by MikeTheWatchGuy » Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:37 am

Big thank you to master-researcher Bazzab for locating this Strap 206 for sale (192218363067) (thank you Empressissi for permission to post your photos).

This time there should be little doubt if the cases were made as part of the same "batch". The case and movement serial number match down to HUNDREDS position. Sure look like "twin" watches to me and nicely documents a situation where Gruen put a difference moment in the case than what was stamped in the case back. It's an infrequent event for Gruen.

The Wadsworth serial numbers
5404368 - my watch
5404690 - Empressissi watch
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322 difference

And once again the movement is a caliber 315 instead of the 705 with serial numbers VERY close to each other
195839 - my watch
195609 - Empressissi watch
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230 difference
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Re: Straps 126 and 127

#13 Post by Barney Green » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:04 pm

BTW: I own a Strap 127, Wadsworth serial 5405932. It does have a 705 movement, serial number 6716. I dated it 1930.

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Re: Straps 126 and 127

#14 Post by JackW » Sun Jun 25, 2017 1:39 pm

MikeTheWatchGuy wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:37 am
Big thank you to master-researcher Bazzab for locating this Strap 206 for sale (192218363067) (thank you Empressissi for permission to post your photos).
Bit of a typo there... you mean strap 209, right? But cool that another one was found so quickly. Hoping Bernd will post an image of his. Is it yellow/green gold or white? If it is white then I'd say that is a step towards confidence with saying that batches would be run in one color. Bernd's is so close to what might be the end of the batch. If his is green or yellow gold, then it most likely means that they were doing the colors as they came up on this order of cases.
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Re: Straps 126 and 127

#15 Post by Barney Green » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:05 am

It is white. Pictures attached, I know it looks yellow, but these were sellers photos with pretty yellow lighting, be assured the watch is white gold.
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May be worth mentioning, I also have a 705 which is has a serial number 6116, so it is only a few hundred apart. This was used in a Strap181, which is a 1930 watch for sure.

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