Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

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Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#1 Post by 502 to Right » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:35 pm

I saw this Gruen in the 1949 movie, Too Late for Tears. Does anyone what model this is? I'm a sucker for a small seconds hand watch.
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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#2 Post by timeliz » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:18 pm

Could be a cal 420 or 421; or possibly a 460 or 470 autowind.
Difficult to determine which model based on the lack of case detail in your capture pic.

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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#3 Post by Barney Green » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:31 pm

I'd say it is most likely the Autowind Helmsman which I think is Import 264:
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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#4 Post by 502 to Right » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:02 am

What model is in the photo below? It looks similar to the Gruen in the movie. Although it doesn't have the railroad track chapter ring.
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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#5 Post by Barney Green » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:06 am

Looks a bit later, I'd say about 1952. Photos of the inside could help.
But almost for sure it is also an Import watch, most likely the Import 298 which was sold as Autowind Lakehurst with metal strap or like yours as Autowind Leader with a leather strap.
It should have a caliber 460 or caliber 462 movement then...

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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#6 Post by afire » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:53 pm

502 to Right wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:02 am
What model is in the photo below? It looks similar to the Gruen in the movie. Although it doesn't have the railroad track chapter ring.

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That's an Autowind Ace. I think Barney's Helmsman ID is more likely.
Real men wear small watches.

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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#7 Post by Barney Green » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:55 pm

Not the Ace, the Ace is the sweep second version of the Leader. This watch has the subsecond, hence it is a Leader / Lakehurst in case my ID is correct...

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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#8 Post by afire » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:36 am

You are correct. I always call that case an Ace, didn't know there was a different sweep second version.
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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#9 Post by afire » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:41 am

And just to be sure, I had to consult with Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper. Skip to 3:08:45.

http://www.historicfilms.com/tapes/19981
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Re: Gruen in the Movies - What model is this? 1949

#10 Post by Barney Green » Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:59 am

Cool find, afire!

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