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 Post subject: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:18 am 
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I have come across this Elgin with an interesting case, and haven't ever seen one like it. The case is made by Star and features lug pins that are integrated into the case. The heads of the pins fit flush with the case. It must have taken a special bracelet, or a very thin leather band to fit into the slot of the case. I'll bet this wasn't a very popular seller for Elgin, because I'm thinking those pins popped out a lot and got lost! The dial is kind of cool with those Deco-ey style numerals. Nothing really special about the movement; it's just your basic Elgin 15-jewel. Anyway, images are attached, and I welcome any comments as far as model name (if any); whether it was featured in any ads or catalogs; type of bracelet or band attachment, or anything else you might know about it!

OK, I've added a tail end shot with the lug pin inserted. As you can see, there isn't very much space ... about 1mm each side of the pin. So the notion of a ribbon band is sound. Also, a Kitchner or Kitchner-style strap would probably work where a thin strip of leather would loop the ends, and then be secured to the main part of the strap.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:47 pm 
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That's interesting.

I'd like to see an end shot, with the pins in place: how much clearance is around the pins?


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:02 am 
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Whatever it is, it's very cool, IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:34 pm 
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Ditto all the above! :mrgreen:

That is one sweet watch.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Yes, very interesting indeed
I like it a lot

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To my uneducated self, I'm thinking ribbon band?

It's very cool.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Love it!

Ribbon band was my thought, also.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Hi all: I've added a tail end shot with the lug pin inserted. As you can see, there isn't very much space ... about 1mm each side of the pin. So the notion of a ribbon band is sound. Also, a Kitchner or Kitchner-style strap would probably work where a thin strip of leather would loop the ends, and then be secured to the main part of the strap.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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I think you may have been on track with your first guess of a metal band. It seems way too masculine to have been a ladies watch, and I have a hard time envisioning Elgin marketing a mens watch with a ribbon band, though stranger things have happened (and perhaps somebody has some evidence to the contrary). I'd bet the unusual lug configuration was to give the illusion of a metal bracelet seamlessly flowing out of the case.

For a leather option, there was a discussion of the challenge of fitting a strap on the Hamilton Oval and somebody suggested Hadley Roma MS700 (which comes in various widths) as being particularly thin and supple. If you can get it in those slots by sliding it in from the side in the first place, I'll bet it isn't too hard for the pins to push their way through the strap holes.

Of course, the above is just one guy's opinion. An original ad would help.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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I tripped over this auction this evening and thought I remembered a post about this type of lug.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-Mans-Art-Deco-Elgin-Highly-Design-Case-Unusual-Wristwatch-Great-Look-/302185346618?hash=item465ba6763a:g:B40AAOSw~OVWxKtA

Sure enough some searching turned up this discussion from last fall. If anyone is interested in collecting this model, I have no idea the number, this could be a rare and expensive opportunity. I can't manage the BIN price anyway. Joel


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Too expensive IMO too -- especially as it's missing the very interesting (and critical) lug pins.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Model was either a high 600 series or more likely a low 1600 series. We have no corresponding catalog entry.


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting Elgin late '20s or early '30s
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Interestingly, the two cases have different grade movements: one a 428 and the other (the BIN) a 430. I would bet that LeCoultre's movement was switched at some point. It would have been a man's watch, so the conjecture of a special metal band would be sound.


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