Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

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Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#1 Post by 441victor » Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:16 pm

Recently arrived, Here is another beauty from the battleground of ebay. I’ve really become enamored by the Elgins from the late 20’s and early 30’s.

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It used to be the only serious competition for these models was from Bryan Girouard and occasionally Jim and Betty. Now obscurity is seldom a guaranty of a bargain price when there are 4-5 1000+ feedback bidders sniping each other and me for a 90 year old watch. For example, this model 163 might have been passed over even a year ago but recently it went for 3 times what I could reasonably pay and had 2 bids over $150. Out of my league and no telling when another might turn up for sale.

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But let me get back to the one I did manage to win. Blurry pics hid this extraordinary green gold model 679. There is very little wear to the three piece Wadsworth case. Its engraving really makes an outstanding design statement.

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The 15j grade 428 movement was described as running but missing its stem. Turns out that the stem was broken and upon fitting a replacement, I found that the setting lever was very difficult to pull into the setting position. I suspect the original owner had managed to pull the stem in two while trying to adjust the time and just gave up and put their watch in a drawer for the next 90 years. A possible explanation for the fine shape in which it came to find me. A little work with a stone and it sets and runs perfectly.

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The dial has a few scratches but no signs of a refinish. I’m willing to let it live out the rest of its life in here unless a NOS replacement shows up.

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The bonus is the metal link band it came with. I don’t have any evidence that it’s not original to this model. It’s in great unworn shape and bears a spade stamp that I don’t recognize.

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The only bad thing about it is the length. It was probably fine for a typical 1930’s man but it’s a couple of links too short to easily latch around my 20th century wrist. If anyone can source another or has some viable parts I would appreciate hearing from you.

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Another prize addition to my slowly growing collection of early Elgins.

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#2 Post by diveboy » Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:26 am

Joel, you've been busy.

be careful with the 20s, they are addictive!

awesome additions.
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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#3 Post by GeneJockey » Sat Oct 28, 2017 10:30 am

Very nice!! Love the old style bracelet!
diveboy wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:26 am

be careful with the 20s, they are addictive!

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#4 Post by Magpie » Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:01 pm

Gorgeous "States 679", Joel! I'm sure you meant the year 1925 to refer just to the movement (the serial number seems to check out for that), not the model itself. To date, I've not seen that model in an Elgin catalog earlier than 1931, such as the S.H. Clausin one that mrtoad and I posted pages from in the Catalog thread for this forum. The catalog illustration there indicated that the "States 679" came with a leather strap. Elgin later issued it with a metal bracelet, but one of a different style from yours, and gave the watch a new model number. The bracelet that's on yours is beautiful and looks great with the watch, I think. (If I remember correctly, the mark on the clasp is one that Kreisler used.)

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#5 Post by stryfox » Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:38 pm

That’s one good looking case.

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#6 Post by afire » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:00 am

Magpie wrote:
Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:01 pm
The bracelet that's on yours is beautiful and looks great with the watch, I think. (If I remember correctly, the mark on the clasp is one that Kreisler used.)
Yep, the spade means early Kreisler, so if not original, then certainly from the same era.
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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#7 Post by liveinthefens » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:00 pm

That is one good looking piece.
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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#8 Post by Air » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:28 pm

The other watch that you posted, besides the 679,is a yellow gold filled Model 844 by the looks of it. The 163 was the white gold filled model. Elgin prices seem to be all over the place.

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#9 Post by 441victor » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:58 pm

Thanks all. This is why I like to bring a nice piece to the forum once in a while. Good catch Air, I'm used to the catalogs and ads mentioning another model number as a strap/band variation and missed the colors. You also Magpie. I admit to using the movement to date my watches as long as it seems original and the grade is correct for the model. I know that can lead me astray though I often lack any other resources as I move further away from my comfort zone of the 50's. I wasn't thinking very critically and should have noticed that the design of the 679 doesn't exactly fit into the mid 20's. My challenge now is to pick up a movement from the right year. Could be hard since Elgin had no 428 production from '30-'32. That leaves me with getting a movement from 1929 or maybe the 2 runs from 1933. Do you know the number and year of the later model with the metal band? This may not even be a 679. Oh well, I might as well mess up every ID in this post but I insist that the movement is a 15j grade 428. So there, Joel

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Re: Elgin States model 679 Grade 428 15j from 1925.

#10 Post by Magpie » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:37 am

My challenge now is to pick up a movement from the right year. Could be hard since Elgin had no 428 production from '30-'32.
Don't worry about it. Elgin had inventory of various grades of movements and would have been attempting to use that inventory -- thus movements manufactured in years prior to the release of a given model can and do show up (like what's with the watch you found). Additional movements would have been produced only when Elgin saw the need.
Do you know the number and year of the later model with the metal band?
Model 1641, probably released in 1931, since it appears in 1932 jobbers' catalogs. Here's an image from the 1932 A.C. Becken catalog:
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