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Say it aint so!

#1 Post by Nookster » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:25 am

Oh my, Hamilton keeping they eyes on Elgin. Looks like not all Elgin parts were made in the USA.....LOL

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Re: Say it aint so!

#2 Post by diveboy » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:57 am

I would love to see a 1939 foreign made case and dial for Elgin.

Can you please post images of the cases and dials in question?

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Re: Say it aint so!

#3 Post by afire » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:10 pm

diveboy wrote:
Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:57 am
I would love to see a 1939 foreign made case and dial for Elgin.

Can you please post images of the cases and dials in question?

Thanks.
When I read that paragraph, the first thing that popped into my mind was the 14k rose gold Elgin with a Weber case discussed in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10186&p=73387
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Re: Say it aint so!

#4 Post by afire » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:21 pm

And while Bryan dates that Weber-cased Elgin to a few years later than this memo, it certainly fits the description of a highly styled, foreign cased watch that Elgin might have been trying to sell to "fine, exclusive jewelry stores." Gruen's own somewhat mysterious line of Weber-cased watches were mostly made in extremely low quantities, many possibly one-offs, many uncatalogued. I've heard it speculated that the reason for these to exist is to cater to the really high-end jewelers in major markets that want to offer unique pieces, not production models. Maybe this was what Elgin was doing too.

One other point - it's interesting that he's talking about Elgin possibly violating import laws by not marking the dials as Swiss-made. That's kind of funny since Hamilton also imported dials from Switzerland and didn't mark them. But I suppose that was 10 years earlier, and the ruled may have changed in the interim.
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Re: Say it aint so!

#5 Post by Nookster » Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:02 am

This was all that was in the file, no photos attached.

Just thought you guys would enjoy this.
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Re: Say it aint so!

#6 Post by Magpie » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:27 pm

This was all that was in the file, no photos attached.

Just thought you guys would enjoy this.
I certainly did -- thanks for posting it! BTW, I found an interesting old (2008) NAWCC thread dealing with "Elginium," "Elginite," and some relevant patents; thought the Elgin folks might like to look at it:
https://mb.nawcc.org/threads/saturday-m ... 008.37388/

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Re: Say it aint so!

#7 Post by GeneJockey » Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:48 pm

The second one might also explain a Lord Elgin I have that dates to about 1942 (based on serial number). The case is shaped like the 4505 (rectangular with stepped pyramidal lugs), which is a solid gold model. But this one is stainless steel! It's stamped "Cased and timed by Elgin National Watch Co", but in lines, not circular like in US-built Elgins. Below that it says 'Swiss' and 'Acier Staybrite'. AND it has the same male lugs as the gold model afire posted.

Sadly, one of the endpieces is bent, and broke off. I don't know how to repair it. Straighten then solder?

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Re: Say it aint so!

#8 Post by Paleotime » Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:16 pm

Maybe if you knew somebody really good with a TIG welder. I've seen a guy weld gum wrappers together.
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Re: Say it aint so!

#9 Post by JackW » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:05 pm

GeneJockey wrote:
Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:48 pm
Sadly, one of the endpieces is bent, and broke off. I don't know how to repair it. Straighten then solder?
There are jewelry-scale arc welders. Mostly used in manufacturing. One of the NAWCC members in my local chapter has one. The other option is a laser welder and a bead of 14k to "stick" things together. There is also the guy in PA (formerly of FL) that does case repair. Going to be finding out about his services in the near future.
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Re: Say it aint so!

#10 Post by GeneJockey » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:09 pm

Impressive, but is there really much call for welding gum wrappers together? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I imagine they were originally soldered, because it came off all in one piece, pretty cleanly. Pretty sure nobody was TIG welding jewelry in 1942. ;)
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