Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#11 Post by HandyDan » Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:38 am

GeneJockey wrote:
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I think the 478 and the other members of the family (472, 506, 590, 540 and others) are actually better LOOKING watches than the equivalent Hamiltons. But hey, that's me! You know I love Elgins!
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I think when they're put together right and bright & shiny they're all something to marvel at, regardless of brand. The higher end 23 jewels are especially marvelous.

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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#12 Post by GeneJockey » Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:46 am

TO this day, I regret selling my 950b. It is such a beautiful movement!

But notice that Hamilton also went from screwed-down jewels to friction set jewels, and similarly cap jewels set in plates.
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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#13 Post by stryfox » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:14 pm

I have a few Raymond Pocket Watches. Not as many as Doug. Yet...lol
I am almost done a 571. While the engraving on the plates is more blocky and less attractive than its predecessors it is the most advanced version of the Elgin rail road Pocket Watches with 9 adjustments. Yes 9.
Heat
Cold
Isochronism
& 6 Positions
It is impressive.
As noted before. I also found it easier to service.
I have a little more tweaking to do.
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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#14 Post by stryfox » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:18 pm

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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#15 Post by grumpyguy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:46 pm

Very nice Carl. And 9 positions?! Wow! Imagine watch a modern Swiss watch adjusted to nine positions would cost these days?
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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#16 Post by GeneJockey » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:34 am

9 Adjustments. It's actually only 6 positions. The other three are heat, cold, and isochronism.
http://gjselgins.blogspot.com/

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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#17 Post by unreformed66 » Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:51 am

GeneJockey wrote:
Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:53 pm
I think the 478 and the other members of the family (472, 506, 590, 540 and others) are actually better LOOKING watches than the equivalent Hamiltons. But hey, that's me! You know I love Elgins!

It's interesting that we generally accept the idea that the screwed-down, bezel-set jewels are indicate higher quality than the friction set hole jewels, and cap jewels set in small plates. The 571 was a modern design, and took advantage of modern materials and newer methods.

Jewels could be made so much more precisely that they could be precisely placed in precisely machined holes, easily replaced with identical, easily produced jewels if needed. The cap jewels, set in small plates allowed the hole jewels they covered to be fixed in the plate, so that you didn't have to figure out which hole jewel went where. They're also harder to lose! They're less impressive, but in terms of timekeeping and ease of servicing, they're superior.
What he said. I've been doing watch repair for almost 28 years now and although they're all great movements the Grade 571 is more precisely made and also easier to service. They aren't as pretty though in my opinion...

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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#18 Post by stryfox » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:27 pm

Update. One of our esteemed members pointed out I had the wrong dial. I’m glad he did because I like the correct dial even more!
I can see me carrying this one often.
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Re: Elgin B W Raymond RR Grade 571 21j Pocket Watch from 1927.

#19 Post by GeneJockey » Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:45 pm

Hey, that's looking really good! I note you also got one of the 'pointer' style second hands!
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