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Re: Illinois Consul

#11 Post by GJH » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:33 am

That is quite a SUPER first Solid Gold Illinois!

For all of us who collect this brand, The Consul is considered the Gold Standard
and a "Must Have" for the serious collection.

This is a wonderful example. You are starting off with a solid gold Consul with a Solid gold
'center area' marked 14K. There are versions of this watch with "Metal" stamped where the 14K
is on yours. While any Consul is desirable, yours is more.

The Dial:
Your dial is an much older redial or a "Variation" during the Hamilton years put out to fulfill dial orders...IMO.
I have seen these over the years and the font around the sub 6 area is the cause of this discussion.
NOS or replacement Consul dials are some of the hardest to find. I happen to like yours very much and wouldn't do
much or anything to it. Whatever you do to it DON'T RUB IT.

Movement: There are 15, 17, 19 and 21J movements that could "wind up" in a Consul.
The Motor Barrel 21J is the top of the line and I would keep my eye out for one to put into this (some day) if you really want to
have it's value at the top of the food chain.

Overall, a Consul in almost any condition is quite desirable and yours is a beauty.

The reason you hardly see them around is, folks who have one rarely part with it.

Congrats and thanks for sharing!
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Re: Illinois Consul

#12 Post by GJH » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:25 am

Some Fun Photos I found...

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Re: Illinois Consul

#13 Post by slinfiniti » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:15 am

Thank you for the insight. I have very fortunate over last few years to come across some real "finds" I must admit that I won this from an obscure auction for $600. Yes, that is correct. My intent was to flip the watch as I traditionally have not been a Illinois collector. I have 4 or 5 that I enjoy wearing.
I have since discovered that this Consul is a treasure, that being said, I plan to keep it in my permanent collection. I am a bit disappointed with the dial condition, but I also know that it's value is closely tied to originality.
The information gathered here has been extraordinarily helpful in better understanding what I own.
I got lucky. Thank you all for the valuable information. Chalk one up for the good guys!

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Re: Illinois Consul

#14 Post by slinfiniti » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:59 pm

I have a couple of questions about Consuls?

What years were they made.

If I wanted to find a 21 jewel movement and install it, what would I exactly look for.

Model 607? 21 Jewel

Or any 6/0 21 jewel from the same manufacturing dates?

I am intrigued by the collectability of this watch, this is not good for me.

I would appreciate your help.

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Re: Illinois Consul

#15 Post by randy van » Thu Dec 15, 2016 3:30 pm

You have a beautiful Consul. Of the watches in my collection, I find myself looking at the Consul while wearing more than any other. For what it's worth, I personally like keeping the movement in the watch that it had when I purchase it, unless it is beyond repair. But that's just me. I have a 19 jewel, grade 609 movement in my green gold Consul. Now that I have mentioned it, I have to show it! Here it is:

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Re: Illinois Consul

#16 Post by retroworx » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:36 am

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Re: Illinois Consul

#17 Post by slinfiniti » Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:51 am

I need some advice? I have a lead on a 21 jewel 6/0 that would fit in my newly acquired Consul, the date of the movement is 1932, does that fit with the manufacture dates of the Consul?

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Re: Illinois Consul

#18 Post by Illinois281989 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:54 pm

Nice Consul you have there. The Illinois Consul is one of the most sought after Illinois watches. I have never seen one with the sub 6 like yours. Being a full 14K solid case all the way through, my option is that you should keep it. Very rare indeed. The exploding dial has aged well on your's and the luminescent numbers seem to be in excellent condition. Would seem the hands have lost their lume, but adds to the character and originality of the watch. Original dial Illinois that are still in good condition such as yours are highly sought after and hard to come across. If you do clean it I would only recommend Bergeon Rodico. A safe and effective way to clean the dial. Your's has excellent patina, I would recommend leaving it as is. I just spoke to my mentor and good friend this morning. He mentioned a guy with a Consul wanting a 21J movement installed as well as work on a New Yorker. If I had to put two and two together, my mentor Doug has spoken to you recently about this watch? From my understanding the Consul was made during 1930 year. I think Consul production lasted for more than one year, although this model was one of their top dogs, and during the depression many may have not been sold due to the selling price during this time period. Doug has been in the hobby since the 80's and one of the top notch collectors and historians on Illinois. I am very privileged to be his apprentice for the last 10 years. I would recommend the conversion. 21J Illinois wrist movements made during this time are rare to come across. My Yorktown has a factory 21J, all others I own are 17J. Anything beyond 17J was strictly for presentation, exception a jeweled motor barrel. The 21J movement would only complement your high end watch further. A combination not often seen. It's near impossible to know exact production dates. I would say it's a feasibly accurate marriage, what is the serial number on the 21J movt. in question? Would you happen to know a guy by the name of Beruge out of California? (forgive me of the incorrect spelling of his name).

Nice Consul, super rare!

Jon
"A Minute of Care is Worth an Hour of Repair" circa 1930.

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Re: Illinois Consul

#19 Post by slinfiniti » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:09 pm

Jon,

I have discovered that the watch collecting fraternity is small. The gentleman you are referring to is Behrouze, I have acquired two amazing Illinois from him. I must say, a class act. He has been gracious and very forthcoming with advice and support and occasional watch acquisition.

I have been in contact with Doug to help me out tweak my Consul. This watch, my Consul has really taken on a life of its own. I am excited about my acquisition and I look forward in having Doug tweak it. He will look an my New Yorker at the same time, it has decided to stop and start.

The more I lurk in this forum, the more I get help. Now I need someone to help me find a Hamilton Seckron magician to help me in my final restoration of my Hamilton Seckron. It needs final assembly help.

With all the kind information I have received about the Consul, I have decided to upgrade the movement to 21 jewels, seek Dougs advice on the dial and hands. This is a watch that I plan to keep. I feel very lucky. I am very fortunate that $600 got me such a great timepiece. The universe smiled on me that day.

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Re: Illinois Consul

#20 Post by Illinois281989 » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:45 pm

It is nice to make your acquaintance here on the forum. You are in good hands with Doug, there is a chance you can get the hands re-lumed via "International Dial" out of Dayton OH. They do an excellent job on dial and hand refinishing. Many here on the site have used this service from what I have read on various topics. International Dial can match the color of the lume to that of the numbers creating a close to original look.

For $600.00 you did good. This watch on the market is easily worth $1300.000 or more!

Jon
"A Minute of Care is Worth an Hour of Repair" circa 1930.

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