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Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 2:08 pm
by Jasoni11
Hello, new round here. I have a 1915 11 jewel 0s pocket watch I'm trying to find some information about. The serial number is 2827856. The model number is 201 I believe. From what I have been able to find is that there were only 20 made that year, and the total run was 7,100. I've look for information about online. Hell, I'd been happy to just find out what the model number means. If anyone can help me out with any kind of information it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jason

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:50 pm
by mrtoad
Welcome to the Illinois Forum!

We'd like to see pictures of your watch, inside and out.

What you have is a Model 4, Grade 201. Model indicates the configuration of the plates (i.e., that this movement has a center bridge that holds the third and center wheels between the bridge that holds the mainspring and winding mechanism and the little two-finger bridge that holds the escape and fourth wheels. Grade corresponds roughly to the jewel count, including both hunter-case and open-faced versions. (Illinois made lots of versions of 0-size movements, with both center bridges and combined bridges for the wheels and winding mechanism, and many were made in both open-face and hunter versions.)

Illinois made 7290 movements of this configuration in 37 batches spread across 1914 and 1915. The earlier batches were several hundred at a time, but as they were winding down with this model, they started making smaller and smaller batches of just ten or twenty at a time. But most of the seven-thousand-plus movements were made in 1915.

From the serial number, I conclude that this must be a hunter-case watch. An 0-size watch was probably a lady's watch, perhaps to be hung from a neck chain or a pin on a dress.

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:49 pm
by Jasoni11
Thank you for the information. And, you were spot on about the pin. When I bought it it came with a gold filled pin on it. I bought it off ebay for $23.00. The lady who owned it couldn't get the dust cover open. I bought it for the case because my girlfriend like it. I figured it was a junk swiss movement in it. The dial has the name F. Piper on. Much to my surprise when I opened the back and it said illinois on it. It didn't run I put a few drops of oil on it and it started running. Got to say that was a pretty good buy. I'm trying to figure out how to post pictures. As soon as I do I'll post. them
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Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:36 pm
by Magpie
What a lovely watch case and pin! Case engravings featuring birds appear to have been quite popular, and there are a lot of different patterns to be found. (I'm fond of "bird" pocket watches and have collected a number of them myself.)

Could you post a picture of the inside of the back of the case, please? I'm curious about what information is there. Usually there's the name and/or logo of the casemaker.

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:17 pm
by mrtoad
This watch is an example of a "private label" watch. All the big manufacturers had programs by which local jewelers (and also big chains and department stores) could have custom dials showing their name rather than that of the manufacturer. Sometimes the movement might also be marked. Illinois was particularly known for private labels; they did hundreds and hundreds of these. (The list in Fred Friedberg's new Illinois book goes on for over 40 pages.)

F. Pieper (the script is sometimes hard to read on these) was a jeweler in Covington, KY, across the river from Cincinnati. He was also a watch inspector for the C&O Railroad, which came through Cincinnati.

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:49 pm
by Jasoni11
I love learning the history behind it all. I started collecting pocket watches. Then I started fixing them and selling them. I started buying the 0s because people like them a lot. As soon as I started buy the bird cases my girlfriend started collecting them too lol.

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 7:51 pm
by Magpie
Thanks very much for adding the picture! The casemaker was the Star Watch Case Company (but you probably already knew that).

Re: Illinois 1915 0s pocket watch

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:22 pm
by Jasoni11
Not a problem. I look for multi colored one when ever I can. I have a few, but the only illinois hunter that I have is that one. I have a other illinois are open face. For some reason I took a liking to the A. Lincoln illinois.