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Illinois Guardsman

#1 Post by inatime » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm

My collection of Illinois seems to be growing, thanks to Fred! :o :D

I am interested if anyone has information on the unique rotor subsidiary seconds on this watch. Fred has a bit of information in his book but I am interested in some more historical information if it exists - perhaps a patent? unique marketing material? who was the first to the market - the Hamilton secometer or the Illinois version or another maker? I like to collect as much information and supporting documents as I can when I find a new watch. Your assistance is appreciated.

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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#2 Post by Findingtime » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:16 pm

No additional infor for you but beautiful watch! Thanks for sharing a photo of it!

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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#3 Post by inatime » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Forgot also to ask - does anyone have the sizing for a Townsman replacement crystal?
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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#4 Post by afire » Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:51 am

inatime wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm
Who was the first to the market - the Hamilton secometer or the Illinois version or another maker?
You can add Waltham and Bulova to the mix.
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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#5 Post by mrtoad » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:06 pm

I don't know about the comparative dates on the Waltham and Bulova, but I know from experience that the rotor on that Waltham model is so small as to be almost unreadable, while the seconds markings on the Illinois rotors are readable. On the Waltham, about the only use for the rotor is to reassure you that the watch is running.

Illinois' rotor seconds on pocket watches date from before they were acquired by Hamilton. Those on the Hamilton Farragut came after the acquisition, so there may have been a patent issue involved.

But at some point, rotor seconds even moved into dollar watches. Somewhere I have one that probably dates from the '40s that even has the little hole in the "6" to clear the 4th-wheel arbor, just like on the Illinois models.

If you take your Illinois apart, you'll find that it has an unusually thick dial, with a circular recess machined in the back to clear the rotor.

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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#6 Post by inatime » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 pm

Great info everyone. How could I forget about the other models with wondering seconds! :oops: I might need to move into another niche in my collecting.
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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#7 Post by 441victor » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:52 pm

mrtoad wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:06 pm
... On the Waltham, about the only use for the rotor is to reassure you that the watch is running...
I feel the same about the miniscule sub second hands that Waltham put on some of their models. To the point I've been collecting more of their sweep second watches. That doesn't mean I don't long for one with a "second meter at 9". Joel

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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#8 Post by GJH » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:24 pm

Hey Patrick.
The Guardsman, (I think by accident) became the closet best collector watch
on the forum.
Someone put out their new acquisition and the thread went nuts.
Glad you scored that beauty from Fred, Congrats!
The Guardsman is a MUST for an Illinois collection.
Check out the thread here:

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Re: Illinois Guardsman

#9 Post by Nookster » Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:41 pm

All great watches, I have one of those Waltham's with the window for the sub seconds. Cool watches.
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